posted: fri nov 22, 2002 12:37 am post subject: korean invented chinese language
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chinese historian like to twist the history around, everybody know about it.
u just need to look at the baduk/weiqi intellectual game, korean always easily beat down chinese .if this is really your invention, why chinese done so poorly?
and look also at the sport, the world cup, chinese also done very badly if compare to korean.
in modern technology, korean made products like samsung, lg, hyundai,kia
are popular everywhere, where is chinese?
a population of 1.3 billion can't beat down a small nation with only 40 million , or 80 million if u want include north kore, but still we done much better than chinese in almost every area.
the truh is out there, is just depend on you guys weather want to accept it or not.
many chinese historian in china also agree that dongyi was korean and the creator for da'wek kou culture. it was also recoded in shi ji from shima ji.
翻译: 中国的历史学家喜欢歪曲历史,这是谁都知道的事情.
你只要看一看"围棋"这个智力项目,韩国人总是打败中国人.如果它是中国人发明的,那中国人怎么表现总是那么糟糕?世界杯也是同样的例子.
在现代的技术中,韩国人创造的三星.lg,现代,起亚风靡世界,中国人在哪呢?
13亿打败不了一个4千万的民族,(如果加上北韩的话是8千万),我们几乎在所有的领域做的都比中国人好.
真理就在这儿,不管你们是否接受它.
许多中国历史学家也同意东夷是韩国人,并且创造了"大汶口"文化……
posted: sat nov 23, 2002 4:44 am post subject: re: korean invented chinese language
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another good post that non chinese will able to deny it.
during prehistory from neolithic to iron age, there were two cultures in north-east asaia. in northeastern part (s siberia, central asia , manchuria, and also current korean peninsula), nomadic people dominated, whereas culture based on agriculture dominated southern china. nomadic people mostly spoke in altaic or other similar languages, while agriculture-based people mostly spoke in chinese-tibetan or proto-austronesian. chinese archaeologists have mostly focused on the latter. together with languages, features of bronze weaspons or tomb styles were clearly distinctive between the two. ultimately, climate changes to dry/cold conditions drove the nomadic people to the south (koreans and japanese) and to the west (turk, xian-no, etc).
it is also quite certain that the nomadic people in northern china and southern siberia firstly cultivated allium altaicum, the progenitor of allium fistulosum, and allium sativum, the progenitor of allium longicuspis.
with respect to various writing systems developed during the bronze age and/or during shang state, one thing is certain: writing systems came from the east (altaic/nomadic people), not from the west or the south. it is quite certain that people lived in the east were not han or hua people. do you know who published the first chinese dictionary in history? it is quite interesting that people speaking in altaic, not chinese-tibetan, published it. what kind of spoken language did yin/shang people use? this will be a quite good question for your exploration into the ultimate inventor of current chinese characters.
翻译: 在新石器时代到铁器时代的史前文明中,在东北亚有两种文明.在东北亚地区(西伯力亚/中亚/满州以及现在的朝鲜半岛),游牧民族居于统治地位,而农耕文明在中国南部居于统治地位.游牧民族大部分都说阿尔泰以及相似的语系,而农耕文明大部分说汉藏语系.中国考古学家大部分都集中研究后者.而两种语言,青铜器的样子和墓制的样式完全不一样,而又干又冷的天气环境让游牧民族进入了南部.
非常肯定的事情是,北中国和南西泊力亚培育了__(此处不知怎么翻译),____的祖先
在青铜器时代或者商代发展了不同的书写系统,有一件事可以非常确定—书写系统来自东部(阿尔泰/游牧民族),而不是西部和南部.还可以确定的是,东部的人不是汉族.你知道历史上谁出版了第一本汉字字典吗?非常有趣的事是这是说阿尔泰语的人做的而不是说汉藏语系的人做的.殷商时代的人使用的何种语言?这对你们研究谁是汉字的发明者是个非常好的问题.
i think all anyone can say is that "korean made more contribution to the development of what is known as chinese language than currently acknowledged". workings of business, economy, technology, trade, and commerce are the same today as they were 5000 years ago. what drives linguistic development in today's world? well, it's computer. you don't need as much language to grow plant or raise animals. in other words, it is technology which drives language, not agriculture. so, technology in the old days were ceramics and casting technology, which korea was and still is world leader.
翻译: 我认为任何人都可以这么说-"韩国人对大家所认知的汉字发展贡献更大.商业/经济/技术/贸易和5千年前一样,是什么么语言发展了当今世界?是计算机.你不会用语言去种养植物以及饲养动物,换句话说,是从语言中发展而来的技术,而不是农业.所以,在古代,技术就是制陶业和锻造业,而这些技术韩国一直是世界的先驱.
shanxi wrote:
……………………….chinese invented and created their own language. posting by peter is totally crap and ridiculous, the person trying to make a confusion here actually.
oh my gosh..i can't believe that chinese people are soo ingnorant about their own history!!!!!!!!! chinese people didn't create their own language…they had to use another aboriginal's written language, and then on, they called it their own!! because of inferiority issues,,,they claim that they invented their own language..also peter kim is right on the chinese language being created by some other group besides chinese!! i think chinese (students) should relook at their history once again,,,it seems to me that people (me for instance) that are not chinese have a better knowledge of chinese history than some chinese people do…some people are ethnocentric..and it seems to me that you are…or whoever that posted this..peter you're correct on this, except the korean part of course
翻译:
中国人发明了他们自己的语言,楼主在这里胡言乱语,混淆是非.
又有一个韩国白痴跟贴反驳:
我的天哪,中国人居然对他们的历史是这样的无知,中国人根本没有创造自己的语言,他们不得不用其他原住民的书写系统,然后,他们说那是他们自己的.因为自卑的原因,他们说他们发明了自己的语言.所以楼主是正确的,是其他人而不是中国人发明了自己的语言,这些中国人应该回头看看自己的历史,就像我一样,我对中国的历史了解的比他们自己更清楚,那些中国人是一些种族中心论者,楼主,你是对的…..
其他国外网友的反驳:
posted: sun sep 29, 2002 6:38 am post subject: re: korean invented chinese language
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everyone knowes that japanese and korean both derived from chinese, why waste your time with this crap?
任何人都知道日本人和韩国人源自中国,你为什么在这浪费时间废话!
floreo
guest posted: sat nov 09, 2002 7:15 am post subject: re: korean invented chinese language
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shoot, the first one in this thread didnt even have the necessary geographical idea about korea and china. the palace location for shang dynasty is in anyang which is almost in the middle of china. so how come koreans would travel so deep into china as to make the characters???this is way to stupid! i don't wanna talk more about it!
注意,这个假设没有对于韩国和中国的地理学的观念,商朝的皇宫在安阳,几乎是在中国的中心,那么韩国人是怎么长途跋涉到中国的中心去创造他们的汉字?这太愚蠢了,我不想再说什么了
anthony
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posted: fri nov 15, 2002 3:46 pm post subject: re: korean invented chinese language
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everyone know the chinese has the longest continous culture in the world. chinese cultures have influences many cultures in southeast asia and east asia like japan and korean.
任何人都知道中国有着世界最长的连续不短的历史,中国文明影响了许多东南亚和东亚的国家,比如日本和韩国.
posted: mon nov 25, 2002 9:17 pm post subject: re: korean invented chinese language
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korean invented everything.
这个外国朋友很无奈的说:"韩国人发明了一切"
peterkim
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posted: mon dec 02, 2002 12:50 am post subject: re: korean invented chinese language
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confucius was chinese but lao tze not.
taoism has korean origin too.
韩国人又跳出来说；"孔子是中国人但是老子不是,韩国是道教的起源"
posted: fri dec 20, 2002 12:22 am post subject: re: korean invented chinese language
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enough, this topic is just provocating us to hate each other, and nobody (except some stone-head people) would believe that chinese character (han zi) is invented by korean…
够了够了,这个主题只会引起相互仇恨,没有人(除了一些石头脑子的人)会认为汉字是韩国人发明的….
hkb
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posted: thu mar 13, 2003 2:49 am post subject: re: korean invented chinese language
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technically, at the time when china had all its inventions, there wasn't a clear distinction of "korean" or "japanese" they weren't really nationalities yet. except for maybe japan.
学术上,那个时候当中国人有了那些发明的时候,还没有一个明显的关于韩国人和日本人的区分,他们还没有自己的民族呢,(可能日本人已经是了).
alaxieniye
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posted: wed jun 18, 2003 7:09 pm post subject: re: korean invented chinese language
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what i see? a gang of pro-korean idiots telling bull-shits!!
chinese invented chinese. korean invented korean.
korean is an altaic language, with a lot of words from chinese! it's a sino-xenik ( but not a sino_tibetan language). korean words borrowed from chinese are of fujian orrigin ( hokkien, fukien:) korean could not invent hanzi, because hanzi do not fit for korean language at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
我都看到什么了?一群史前韩国白痴在胡扯!!
中国人发明了汉字,韩国人发明了韩语.
韩语是一种阿尔泰语,其中很多都来自汉语.它是一种受汉语影响的语言(但不是汉藏语系),韩语是从中国福建地区借鉴而来,韩国人不可能发明汉字,因为那根本不适合他们的语言习惯
posted: thu jul 10, 2003 5:34 pm post subject: re: korean invented chinese language
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the one whom wrote this has little knowledge of history. it shows that how ignorant korean are! it's such a shame! btw please study where does korean comes from.
楼主对历史一无所知,那只能说韩国人是多么愚蠢,这是个羞耻,请先研究韩国人(韩语}从哪里来.
一个叫"james campbell"的老外对韩国白痴有理有据的反击:
in conclusion…
i don't think the chinese get enough recognition for their inventions. that includes chinese characters. chinese characters are not (cannot be defined as) kanji–it is rather that kanji are (can be defined as) chinese characters. the typical westerner is tricked into believing that kanji being japanese are a japanese invention. even i was tricked this way until i investigated. they may have changed the look of a few here, and added a few there, but they're not the invention of the japanese. this is the same for korean too.
i even heard once, but i cannot prove it or give the source, that the chinese were on the verge of inventing a car many many centuries ago while europe was still in the dark ages and suffering from plagues and death, but the technology didn't advance far enough due to political unrest. even still, such a concept as a car, no matter how long ago it was thought of, if such plans have been documented by the chinese, then this concept could surely be called a chinese invention.
so i don't give a care about the names dongyi, shang, dawenkou, or whatever, the koreans cannot be claimed responsible for any of the chinese language or inventions. a korean should not try and deceive people by digging so far into history so that others will be easily tricked into believing they are a true race of innovation. they are the most backward, selfish, inward looking people i have ever met, and until recently have always been against any development happening in the world outside of korea. they have always positioned themselves as the "little brother" of china (look at the shape of their peninsula), and throughout history they always ran to the "real and only" recognized emporer in china for help and guidance. china has had open communication with the west through the silk road and with the wise teachings from india for millennia. they have been open to the world, and have been innovative themselves providing their inventions to the world. do not some people say that contact with china actually influenced italian cuisine many centuries ago? what did korea and japan contribute to europe? hangul? kimono?
for all the pride running through the blood veins of the korean, if the chinese had an ounce of it, they would be a greater nation than they are. how could they let the japanese trample them in wwii? the chinese should rise up and be proud of everything that is chinese, and do not let the koreans and japanese take the credit. maybe they should have taxed the japanese and koreans for using their characters, or force them to abandon the script if they would not be willing to be part of their empire. but that goes to prove to you how benevolent the chinese actually are and that they were willing to allow the outer lying barbarian tribes attempt to educate themselves. besides, it was their forefathers such as confucius, mencius and many others teaching and spreading humane values, all such wise forefathers that the outer lying barbarians lacked.
nobody invented language. there was a natural need for communication and it evolved naturally.
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james campbell
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posted: tue oct 29, 2002 10:45 am post subject: re: korean invented chinese language
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and i forgot to mention, as an answer westerners do not find a use for hangul or kimonos at all. but you can find at this forum that so many westerners want the chinese characters, to have them tattooed on their bodies. i never heard of westerners wanting hangul or hiragana tattooed on their bodies. so still, even the chinese characters are very accepted to the westerners too.
i even heard that the korean government was trying so hard for the international community to accept their invention that they tried to convince small native tribes to use hangul to write their language, but i never heard of this actually happening.
我认为中国人对他们自己的发明没有有着足够的认知,这包括汉字.中国汉字不是日本汉字,倒可以说日本汉字是中国汉字.典型的西方人错以为日本汉字是日本人的发明.甚至我也被欺骗了直到我研究了它.汉字可能已经在这改变了一点儿,在那又增加了一点儿,但它不是日本人发明的,更不是韩国人.
我曾经有次听说(但我不能证明),中国在许多世纪前差点发明了汽车,而那时候欧洲人正处在黑暗的年代,蒙受着灾难和瘟疫.但是中国那时候没有足够的技术,而且政治骚乱.但是,就"车"这个概念,不管它是多久前想的,但是这个计划已经被中国记录了,或许这个概念可以叫做中国发明.
所以我并不关心什么"东夷"."大汶口"什么的,但韩国人不能宣称他们发明了汉字.韩国人不应该尝试和挖掘历史来欺骗人们,以至于人们会相信他们才是发明源泉的谎言.韩国人是我曾见过的如此倒退,自私,只关心自己的人.直到现在韩国人也反对韩国之外的发展.
韩国是中国的"小兄弟",从地图的也可以看出来,他们的整个历史就是寻求他们"真正并且唯一"的帝国—中国的帮助和引导.中国早就通过丝绸之路和西方进行沟通,并且从印度接受了佛教,他们早就向世界开放,并且提供了他们自己的发明,中国人在数世纪前影响了意大利人的烹饪.而日本人和韩国人对欧洲人贡献了什么??韩国泡菜??日本和服??
骄傲贯穿着所有韩国人的血脉,如果中国人有那么一点,就可以变成比现在更伟大的民族.是什么让他们在二战中饱受日本的蹂躏?中国人应该提升对他本民族的自信,不要让韩国人和日本人拿走那些本来属于他们的荣誉.可能他们会被日本人和韩国人指责使用他们自己的汉字,或者被强迫放弃曾经属于他们帝国荣誉一部分的汉字.但是那更可以证明,中国人是多么的仁慈,他们愿意让这些野蛮异族教育他们自己.
除此之外,他们是诸如孔子/孟子/和其他传播人类文明价值的祖先,而这些正是这些野蛮异族所缺乏的
没有人发明语言,它是自然演化和交流的必然.
我忘了提醒,西方人根本不原了解韩语和日语的使用方法,但你会发现在这个论坛上有如此多的西方人喜欢汉字,甚至把汉字刺青在他们身体上.我从来没遇见过西方人把韩语或者日语刻在他们身体上.因此,汉字更被西方人所接受.
我曾经听说韩国政府非常卖力的让国际社会信服他们发明了韩语来记录自己的语言,实际上我从来没有听说过这曾经发生过.
